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Hey there people, I am looking to buying Photoshop 7.0, and I have been searching the net to find out how much it will cost. I have found the following url:

http://www.ibackups.net/index.php?main=pro...eg&id=1&b=9&e=3

which claims to be selling it for $99, even though the RRP is $499.00

can this be right? Am I on a winner? or will buying this get me into trouble, what do you think?

Greg
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I don't know.... it looks

I don't know....

it looks kinda fishy, "BUY IN THE FIRST TEN MINUTES" that looks really strang, I mean it looks like they don't want you to find out about them before buying......

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I wonder if that may be an

I wonder if that may be an "Educational license" version.

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What does that mean? Please

What does that mean? Please educate me * /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> *

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Keep your credit card in your

Keep your credit card in your pocket! ibackups is not what you want!

Read this link:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13....1@.2cce87bb/73

And also read this part of their terms of service:

QUOTE("iBackups.net - dodgy people!")
9. Terms of Software Use

9.1 You understand that in order for iBackups.net to make you a copy of any software, you acknowledge that you are the legal owner of this same software, and are looking to just make a new copy for archival (backup) purposes only. You also agree to destroy all copies of the software in the event it is ever no longer voluntarily in your possession. You understand that only the licensed owner (with a valid serial number, where applicable) of the various software found on iBackups.net may use the services located here. You also acknowledge that the software you have was obtained legally and that you have the legal right to request this backup copy to be made. If you obtained your version though any other means, including any pirated versions, or if you do not already legally own the same version of the software requested, then you may not use this service.... etc

Real deceptive of them. Bordering on illegal software sales, certainly encouraging illegal software practices. Hardly legitimate software retailing. Almost pirate software. Wonder if this post will come up in searches for illegal software? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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Greg
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thanks paul!!

thanks paul!!

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yeah thanks! And to think I

yeah thanks! And to think I almost went for it!! Oh well, will just have to save up for it... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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Just to let you know...

Just to let you know... Photoshop v8.0 CS is out.

Scott

"I am not what I ought to be. I am not what I want to be. I am not what I hope to be. But still, I am not what I used to be. And by the grace of God, I am what I am." - John Newton (1725-1807)

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I have seen that on the Adobe

I have seen that on the Adobe site I think. Have you seen it? It sounds like they are trying to incorporate loads into it, like all website stuff too... is it any good? Maybe that will make v7.0 cheaper for me!! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Greg
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it's v 8 of PS so it's better

it's v 8 of PS so it's better then v7 which is better then v6.......

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Oh /tongue.gif"

Oh /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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It's 1 higher. It must be 1

It's 1 higher. It must be 1 better.
"Turn it up to eleven"

I need to add it to my Christmas list right next to the Macromedia Studio MX which nobody bought me last year either.
It never hurts to ask.

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go to ibackups, they may have

go to ibackups, they may have a cheap one there for you!! /thumbsupsmileyanim.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsani:" border="0" alt="thumbsupsmileyanim.gif" />

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still though...you can get

still though...
you can get photoshop 7.0 for $99
there are one's in our bookstore for student purchases at that price.
so, i would still shop around or go to a local Fry's, CompUSA, CompAustralia, whatever...BestBuy...I can't really think of computer stores right now, especially world wide stores...
but there are $99 dollar versions for students.

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I'm using Photoshop Elements,

I'm using Photoshop Elements, still the first version. It is an excellent program and doesn't have the big expense of Photoshop. Whichever version you go for you might want to check Adobe's website before buying as they have trial versions that you can download to check out the programs.

David

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Shame Im not a student... but

Shame Im not a student... but hey, thanks polvero! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> I will keep looking! /bigeyedsmiley.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bigeyed:" border="0" alt="bigeyedsmiley.png" />

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All I can say is, Photoshop

All I can say is, Photoshop CS rocks /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> (As does Illustrator and InDesign CS)

Yeah, rocks the boat when that credit card statement comes through.

Paul Davey
Whitford Church
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yea, i'm surprised anyone

yea, i'm surprised anyone until Mac here said anything about actually going to the Adobe website.
although, if you're on 56k, please, go buy it in the stores.
or wait for Adobe to ship it to you.

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Just get another credit card

Just get another credit card to pay off that one!!

*Maybe internet shopping is not a good thing for me....... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> *

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ozPATT @ Dec 19 2003,
QUOTE(ozPATT @ Dec 19 2003, 02:48 PM)
Shame Im not a student... but hey, thanks polvero! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> I will keep looking! /bigeyedsmiley.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":bigeyed:" border="0" alt="bigeyedsmiley.png" />

Do you have kids? Are they students?

Check out Adobe's rules for receiving an educational discount, they're pretty lenient (full time students k-12). IÂ’m not trying to advocate being deceptive with Adobe, but both of my kidÂ’s use Adobe Photoshop Elements and if we decide to upgrade to Photoshop, you can bet IÂ’ll purchase it for them for the low price.

Dave

Adobe's educational site

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that's what my parents did

that's what my parents did with me. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Greg
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/laugh.gif"

/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> lol dustin

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I am a continuing student of

I am a continuing student of the Bible.
Would they count that?

My wife is doing veterinary studies, but she hates Photoshop, so that would probably be a bit of a stretch.
She hates Photoshop because it bothers her how I alter reality with it too much.

Does that picture have too many people in it? Remove one of them.
Is the background bad? Replace it.

I don't see why it bothers her. I know she would like to do that in real life too. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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LOL HA HA HA that's good

LOL HA HA HA that's good Bob!!!!

some members in the church not measureing up to Mrs. Browns ideals.... ha ha haaaaaa

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reminds me of the

reminds me of the sims.
hmm...
let's kill this guy off, and add in...a new neighbor /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Jon
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I am an off again, on again

I am an off again, on again student, and for student software sales, I usually go to journeyed.com. They have the whole CS suite for 389 (1300 retail). It is on my list of things to buy.

You can download a demo from Adobe.

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well, i have no kids, so

well, i have no kids, so that's that one gone!! I am actually studying German with a distance education university, but that is part time.. would that count?? I will have to check it out and see!! /specool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":specool:" border="0" alt="specool.gif" />

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It's not so much the

It's not so much the purchasing of the software, but what the intended use of it is - you can not legally use Educational software for commercial work - so as soon as you want to start earning money using it, you need to get the commercial license.

However, I have "read" somewhere on the Adobe forums (not sure if it's official practice or not) that an Educational license of Adobe software can be ugraded to the commercial license simply by purchasing a commercial upgrade (as if you already had the full version). But don't quote me on it.

If you can string together 2 or 3 good jobs, that would just about pay for it I think - see it as a long term investment.

Paul

Paul Davey
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Will keep looking for those

Will keep looking for those jobs!! They are on their way..... im sure! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Thanks for that

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bobbymac @ Dec 20 2003,
QUOTE(bobbymac @ Dec 20 2003, 07:11 AM)
It's not so much the purchasing of the software, but what the intended use of it is - you can not legally use Educational software for commercial work - so as soon as you want to start earning money using it, you need to get the commercial license.

Good point. Sometimes I get caught up in trying to bend the rules a little, but still do the right thing, and I forget that the intent of the rule counts too.

Thanks for pointing that out,
Dave

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ibackups.net is a heinous

ibackups.net is a heinous company

I found this in their Terms:

QUOTE
6. Return Policy

6.1 Because the products sold by iBackups.net are of a software nature, no returns of any software product sold will be accepted and no refunds will be granted. If we do decide or are forced to issue a refund or recieve a charge-back, your debt will be turned over to our collections department and you will be charged no more than one thousand dollars to cover our loss.

This is absolutely ridiculous! Now they've put a 10-minute timer on their site?! That's barely enough time to locate the software you are looking for and complete the transaction, let alone read through all the Terms and Conditions (which conveniently weren't available when I made a purchase).

Please do not not support ibackups.net!

btw.. hi everyone, noob here
I found this site while doing a search for "is ibackups.net legal".

Fitz

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Hello (and welcome!

Hello (and welcome!) surfitz,

Thanks for pointing that info out.

What do you mean by a ten minute timer?

I hope that your experiance here at CWM will be beneficial to you apart from this unfortunate incident /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

God bless,
Luke

edit: removed quote -- i just got lazy when replying to the thread, I shouldn't have.

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when i was on it last they

when i was on it last they log your access time, and if you place an order within the first 10mins, you get a huge discount... /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

iBackups Inc
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Hello, my name is Nathan

Hello, my name is Nathan Peterson. I am the owner of iBackups.net. I just find it kinda funny how you guys can talk so bad about my web site when I read you all trying to find legal loopholes to get software for less. I have genuine customers who thank us for offering such a service. People who have really lost or damaged their original disc and have a legal right to purchase a backup from us.

Last time I checked, my business was incorporated in the US and surely is not an "illegal" web site. Its very simple, if my site is so illegal than why dosent someone take it down? Its because they cant.

I got a really good idea.. Why dont you all start up a forum about how Microsoft ran and still tries to run an ILLEGAL monopoly? See there is no 'maybes' about that, they ran an illegal monopoly and were found guilty of it. Why dont you read about Bill Gates guerella tactics in the computer world? Let me take a quick guess, I bet that you dont care and you are using Windows right now. Why dont you contact all the business that went bankrupt becuase they would not comply with Microsoft's illegal policies? Ohhhhhh, you dont, you just write forums about little web sites that sell 'illegal' software? Why dont you type in 'warez' at google and write forums about real piracy, or maybe even think about kazza that i would bet is installed on your computers.

I got a better idea, why dont you all call Adobe and ask them if my web site is illegal, youll be surprised on the answer you get /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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Greeting iBackup. Thanks for

Greeting iBackup. Thanks for stopping in.

You may have noticed that the only person to really accuse you has only been a member for a few hours longer than you have. They came here researching your company.

I did not see anything about calling your site illegal. Bordering on illegal is the closest to that. It is deceptive in that it does tell you to hurry up in order to get the discount and encourages people to skim the fine print.

I did not see it clearly explained that these were for backups only when I visited.

I do not believe that it is illegal, but you profit off of enabling people to unwittingly break the law and that is deceptive.

Note the part of the discussion where the real meaning of "Educational license" was brought up. There are a lot of people still learning about this stuff, so a little slack in discussion should be given.

I am not closing this thread now, but I will continue to watch it.

Oh, and welcome to CWM, surfitz and iBackups Inc. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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Nathan,I would hope that you

Nathan,

I would hope that you can see why someone would think the things that have been stated here.

If someone actually understood that they should own the software that they are downloading from your site and that they were downloading for archival purposes only, would they still pay your fees (plus $20 for the disk)?

Your name (iBackups) and that little line under your logo, does not make it clear that the buyer is only purchasing a backup of the software that they should already own.

"ATTENTION - this software is for backup purposes only" would certainly take away any doubt and make your business seem more legitimate than it currently does.

In my opinion, the reason that you have so much info about "credit card charge backs" in your TOS is because after someone figures out that they didn't purchase a legal copy of the software (if they didn't understand the backup concept), they try to get their money back. It probably happens a lot which can be quite costly for you.

I would guess that a phone call to Adobe would only confirm the legality of making a copy of their software for archival purposes, not an endorsement of your site.

If someone claimed that my business seemed illegal by what I presented in my marketing materials, you can bet that I would certainly want to know why they though that so I could make some changes (unless it was my intention to be deceptive).

Just my 2 cents.
Dave

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fontsdotcom
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Hello all,This is my first

Hello all,

This is my first post. I was searching the Internet for info on Ibackups.net and came across this string. The reason I was doing research is that I noticed they are selling Adobe Font Folio 9.0 for $99. This product usually goes for over $7,000. The company I work for provides/owns some of the font data in Adobe Font Folio 9.0. We will contact them to see what is going on.

I was wondering, Mr. Peterson, if you are in anyway related to a Michael Peterson of a site called ProfessionalFonts.com? This site was engaged in alleged illegal distribution of our font intellectual property a few months back. There was no real contact info available on that site, but through some research I was able to find the name Michael Peterson as the owner. They eventually shut the site down. As I was looking over Ibackups.net, I noticed many similarities in design and concept. Any relation?

Thanks,

Chris Roberts
AGFA Monotype

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For something that is

For something that is generally a $600 - $1,000 piece of software...
I find it awkward finding that Adobe's Brandnew Creative Suite for Photoshop is only $99...
i also read this:

QUOTE
We guarantee that you will not find a cheaper price on the software titles at our site! If you do, we will beat that price, or refund you the difference within 30 days of your purchase so there is absolutely NO WAY you can go wrong with us!

any place cheaper would be a scam. and I believe adobe wouldn't even allow something that cheap...
Even the Contractual License Program (CLP) for Education says that you could really only save around 65%.

Then again: even Adobe's really inexpensive prices (found at adobe.com) for educational purposes don't even get as low as $99. And they're the people who made it!

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I believe that iBackups has

I believe that iBackups has purchased a single copy of the software titles (whether originally or a copy from someone else) and then placed these up for people to purchase.

The loophole being exploited is that you are allowed to make a backup of the software.
They have made their backup available to people who forgot to backup their copy before having their discs damaged or lost.

The are not licenseable versions as far as I can tell.

I wonder if people purchase it thinking it is the full version with a license number and then discover that it isn't and then seek a refund only to get slammed by the refund policy mentioned by surfitz.

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I cannot imagine that they

I cannot imagine that they are going to be able to maintain this business model for very long. The prices are very expensive for merely a backup.

fontsdotcom
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I am not so sure that Adobe's

I am not so sure that Adobe's software licence agreement would allow for them to give someone else the software, even if it needs to be unlocked with a serial number. The IP is still being given to the end user. It may not matter that they do not have the means to use it (ie the serial number). Simply providing the software may be a violation.

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Hello everyone:It is CWM's

Hello everyone:

It is CWM's goal and intent to provide a place where webmasters from around the world can come together and profit from each other's wisdom in an environment that is focused on "whatever is true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of good report".

CWM has no official position concerning iBackups.net.

To this point, the conversation has been very reasonable, please, let's keep it nice /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Please do not accuse -- Satan himself is the accuser of brothern (okay, a little out of context, but work with me here /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />).

iBackups Inc., You're very welcome here to participate in any and all conversations -- please remember that the opinnions expressed here are not reflective of CWM or our staff.

For those who have had a bad (or questionable) experiance with this service, please do feel welcome also. Keep in mind though, no company has a 100% batting average -- none. I remember a hosting experiance I once had with a very very reputable host (in fact, I've never heard a bad thing about them!), but after obtaining my credit card information, I never got any of the promised contact information. The company is still alive, well (and actually thriving). I have no doubt that mine was an unusual case -- please consider yourself to be an acception to the norm until you know otherwise. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

God bless,
Luke Wertz
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It looks as though

It looks as though ProfessionalFonts.com is no longer registered.
Good luck tracking them down. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I am going to close this thread down.

It looks as though the topic has been thoroughly discussed.

If you believe that they are doing something illegal then you should contact the company that licenses the software and report ibackups.net through the appropriate channels.

If you have arrived at Christian-Web-Masters.com as a result of checking on the credibility of this company I do wish to welcome you, but this is not the place to handle legal issues such as this.

However, if you are interested in being a part of a Christian web development community I encourage you to spend some time checking us out and even introduce yourself.

In the spirit of fairness we invite Mr. Peterson to respond to any accusations that he believes were unfairly levied against his business by contacting iLuke via personal message.
We can then post Mr. Peterson's response (within reason of course).

Have a good day, and may God bless.

Thread closed by moderator

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32 months is probably a long

32 months is probably a long enough time for this thread to cool off so I reopened it for an update.

Mr. iBackups.net will probably not be stopping in here again. He is on his way to prison.

Web Site Owner Gets More Than 7 Years in Prison for Software Piracy, Must Pay $5.4 Million

QUOTE
Nathan Peterson, 27, of Los Angeles, sold products copyrighted by companies such as Microsoft Corp. and Adobe Systems Inc. at a huge discount on his site, iBackups.net, prosecutors said. The site began operating in 2003 and was shut down by the FBI in February 2005.

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Wow, we had a brush with fame

Wow, we had a brush with fame /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Paul Davey
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MrHerald @ Sep 10 2006,
QUOTE(MrHerald @ Sep 10 2006, 08:36 PM)
32 months is probably a long enough time for this thread to cool off so I reopened it for an update.

Mr. iBackups.net will probably not be stopping in here again. He is on his way to prison.

Web Site Owner Gets More Than 7 Years in Prison for Software Piracy, Must Pay $5.4 Million

QUOTE
Nathan Peterson, 27, of Los Angeles, sold products copyrighted by companies such as Microsoft Corp. and Adobe Systems Inc. at a huge discount on his site, iBackups.net, prosecutors said. The site began operating in 2003 and was shut down by the FBI in February 2005.

Considering the amount of damage he did to the software companies, he got a pretty light sentence, especially when factoring that he'll only be paying $200 a month after he gets out of prison: Read me for more.

At that rate, it'll take him over 2200 years to pay it off /whistle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":whist:" border="0" alt="whistle.gif" />

Who can bring a charge to God's elect? It is God who justifies!

Eric
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NNNNNNNOOOOO I wanted my $99

NNNNNNNOOOOO I wanted my $99 legal copy of Photoshop. Ah well, always the bridesmaid.

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I have spoken to several

I have spoken to several people who claim to find great prices on software and then I look at the site and know exactly why they got the good price.

Last week I contacted a software company about buying a $1700 piece of software and they offered it for $600. The mentioned that we had a representative at the company and it really surprised me, nobody I had talked to at the church had ever heard of them. Sure enough they had our old address on file and after a bit of digging realized we had started purchasing software from them in 1995.

In contrast, the questionable companies don't typically give representatives or even provide a number to call.

Look in their whois data and see how long their name has been registered and how long it is registered for. If it was registered a few months ago for a period of 1 to 2 years then there is little chance they are an honest company.

As mentioned earlier in this thread look for the OEM licensing requirements without following real OEM rules.

You have a right to backup your software, but you don't have a right to purchase the backup.

If you purchase from a company like CDW then you buy a license for big money and the software is really cheap. We purchased $1700 Adobe software under their charity program and paid $580. It cost $200 for 2 years of upgrades and maintenance, and only $25 for the actual software. I'm sure that if we lost our discs and had purchased a license from them then we could buy new discs for $25.
Can anyone confirm that?

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MrHerald @ Sep 10 2006,
QUOTE(MrHerald @ Sep 10 2006, 08:36 PM)
Mr. iBackups.net will probably not be stopping in here again. He is on his way to prison.

Something told me this would happen one day.

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wow........ $5.4 million

wow........ $5.4 million

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JoeM @ Oct 9 2006,
QUOTE(JoeM @ Oct 9 2006, 06:35 PM)
wow........ $5.4 million

The guy probably ripped company's off by about $20 million or so, give or take a few million. Like I said earlier, he got a light sentence.

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