You can either do a php include, or a Server Side Include.

Most people would prob. say do the PHP. It's not hard to do, and when I get home from work I will help you if needed or if someone else hasn't beat me to it. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Do you have a server-side language available to you? PHP? SSI?

If you do, its real easy (just let us know what's available). If you do not, then I'd suggest grouping your navigation under sections, and add a sitemap if necessary.

JavaScript wouldn't be a good choice because if you don't have it, or turn it off, then the person can't get around your site at all.

You can tell if you have PHP by FTPing the following as a file to your server, and then accessing it in a browser:

Just cut and paste the colored text in the box into a text file. Rename the text file with a PHP extension. FTP to your server. For example, you rename the file test.php and FTP it to www.example.org, then you would browse to http://www.example.org/test.php.

If the page comes up blank, then you don't have PHP; if you get information (more than you know what to do with), then you have PHP.

I use this menu
Milonic
on our chuch's site. (you can check that out in my sig)

It is Javascript, so you will need other text links on the pages, too. See the footer and other links throughout my chuch's pages for an example. Search engines cannot follow javascript links.

This menu is free to non-profit groups, though you must register. You said you don't know Javascript, but it is easy to customize. YOu put just a few lines in the code, and the script can be changed, one file, whenever you need to. There is a forum for help if you need it. Edit: and you are required, if you don't buy the license, to put a link to their site on the pages that use the menu. It doesnt' have to be big.

If you can't do php, this menu might be good for ya. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Scrog, I am posting your PM to me here so that the collective brain power of the thread can have the same information you sent me. It's always good to keep the topic on the thread so the collective brain power of the board (which will always be greater than just mine) can work on it.

Now, as far as I know, Tripod does NOT support PHP.

Which Tripod (there's more than one, and the features do differ)? I remember that Tripod UK has it, but you have to turn it on in the control panel thingy.

FYI: the phpinfo() function outputs all the html, so its all you need in a script.

Scrog, I'm doing the same thing again (posting your PM to the thread so that everybody can have a crack at answering it):

SSI stands for server-side include. When I referred to it, I was referring to its Apache implementation, but I believe other systems do SSI as well (including PHP which uses the include function).

However, I don't think Tripod does SSI, either.

Thinking about hosting your church on Tripod:
Doesn't Tripod still run advertisements on member pages? Would you be better off on a community based network that doesn't do that? In Florida (and Alabama and Georgia, due to Tallahassee's proximity to those states), Tallahassee Freenet provides free hosting to non-profits. They won't host a domain name for you, and because they are volunteer run, they can't guarantee uptime. But it seems to me to have a web page with no advertisements (which could be objectionable since you have no say over them) would be worth it.

I hosted a church web site on Tallahassee Freenet for a long time, and it was better than Tripod, IMHO.

Of course, apparently, I was wrong about Tripod and PHP.

I'm a neophyte PHP coder, so I don't know yet how to run PHP outside of a (X)HTML file.

All it means is that you only have to put <?php phpinfo(); ?> in your .php script and you'll get the same result. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

ok my host does not have php,ssi. I plan to ask the Church to consider changing host.
Till then will use a css nav.and a site map and a java script

Will some tell me how to link to a external .js and make it work.
I tried for two hours after this morn. worship service.

Thanks for all your help everyone.

It sure is great to be in the family of God.